Rou
Ranting. Raving. Screaming at the stars!
Jun/01
2009
2009
Vigilantes
Man murders abortion doctor. I could do a million and one rants about the scum sucker and people that support / approve of them. Easy to do. Dime a dozen. I kinda hope u235 does because I know it'll be given the appropriate level of vitriol.
I'm going to take a shot at the people that support them and their vocabulary.
The pro-life movement responded to the death by denouncing his 'vigilantism' and hoping that the pro-choice movement doesn't 'exploit these actions' politically.
Ok, let's start with the first part. It's not vigilantism. It's MURDER. For a group so bound and determined to redefine things like 'life', and 'alive', I know this can be a tough thing touch on. Clearly the words don't mean what you think they mean. You see, a vigilante is a person who takes the law into their own hands without the approval of the government. That's not what happened here. The doctor didn't break any laws, so if you took the law into your hands, you would just ignore him. You see, abortion is legal. Look up the word. Then refer to the numerous court cases and legislative laws around the country that confirm that. Once you accept that, you realize that this is actually a murderer.
Second part, if the left moves on this subject, it's your fucking fault. As a movement, you suck at moving away from murderous tendencies. For example, when Randall Terry comes out and says he's more concerned about the left uses this politically than he is that Tiller was actually murdered... you're pretty much a morally bankrupt and wholly deplorable person. You should be much more concerned that your movement has a significant number of people who applaud this man's actions. And a limited number that have seriously considered similar actions. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You have to willfully and powerfully denounce fuckers like this, because if you don't... if you just do some vague hand waving and then try to frame your opponents into political exploiters if they have the gall to react to a national event... well, I'm sorry. You're twice the snake you're trying to make them out to be. You moved straight from 'I'm sorry' into political positioning in under three sentences. It's an underhanded approval of murder.
Now, I don't think all pro-life advocates are evil. But there are certainly some in your movement that are best described by the word. I give you the same admonishment I give Muslims. Reject your extremist brethren and their murderous terrorism, or accept being painted with the same brush. Make a choice.
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Comment from: u235 [Member] 
Rationale, there never is one is there? On the one hand the "unborn" need protection, but the "born" don't... the same people rabidly advocating the defense of something that can't live on its own are the same ones who can't seem to find a way to feed, clothe or educate foster children, but that's old news. This is today's news:
Sorry to draw your attention to this little fact Dave Douchebag but American law is *NOT* based on Christian scripture. It's based on our Constitution. However people like this are just pawns, it's true fuck-tards like O'Reilly who are genuine assholes, playing on passions for ratings.
Rhetoric is powerful. And the stupider or desperate the audience the more powerful it becomes. As another commentator on the subject said "Why is the man charged with killing the doctor in church called a “suspect” when if he were an Arab or a Muslim he would be called a “terrorist”?"
Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., whom authorities have described as a suspect in Sunday’s fatal shooting here of George Tiller, was once a subscriber and occasional contributor to a newsletter, Prayer and Action News, said Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines who runs the newsletter. Mr. Leach said that he had met Mr. Roeder once, and that Mr. Roeder had described similar views to his own on abortion.
Commenting on Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, “To call this a crime is too simplistic.” He added, “There is Christian scripture that would support this."
Sorry to draw your attention to this little fact Dave Douchebag but American law is *NOT* based on Christian scripture. It's based on our Constitution. However people like this are just pawns, it's true fuck-tards like O'Reilly who are genuine assholes, playing on passions for ratings.
A prominent television personality, Bill O’Reilly, discussed Dr. Tiller 29 times in the last four years on “The O’Reilly Factor,” Mr. Winant found. “Almost invariably,” Mr. Winant noted, Dr. Tiller was “described as ‘Tiller the Baby Killer.’”
Rhetoric is powerful. And the stupider or desperate the audience the more powerful it becomes. As another commentator on the subject said "Why is the man charged with killing the doctor in church called a “suspect” when if he were an Arab or a Muslim he would be called a “terrorist”?"
06/01/09 @ 21:50
Comment from: bman [Member]
To suggest that O'Reilly or any other political pundit had any affect on Mr. Roeder's actions is asenine. FoxNews dug deep into this nutjob's criminal history and his antics began long before O'Reilly was doing "The Factor". In fact, Mr. Roeder's criminal history includes attempted bombings of Abortion Clinics from over 15yrs ago along with numerous weapons charges. Besides O'Reilly may be passionate about his beliefs and his reporting but he's never advocated violence to resolve a problem in any way. Those who think otherwise are those who do not watch/follow his show - thus you cannot comment based upon what some left-wing reporting agency says about him.
The fact is Mr. Roeder is a right-wing nutjob.
Equally the left has many left-wing nutjobs in high profile organizations such as Greenpeace, Weatherunderground and various others that also have an equally long rap-sheet of ill deeds causing death, maming, fire-bombings of Forestry/Logging companies, fishing operations etc etc to justify their causes as well. Both extremes have long histories of doing similar things for the same reasons for the same goals.
Those of you whom are lashing out at the normal right-wing people over this should also be lashing out at your left-wing radicals as well - otherwise hypocricy rules.
The fact is Mr. Roeder is a right-wing nutjob.
Equally the left has many left-wing nutjobs in high profile organizations such as Greenpeace, Weatherunderground and various others that also have an equally long rap-sheet of ill deeds causing death, maming, fire-bombings of Forestry/Logging companies, fishing operations etc etc to justify their causes as well. Both extremes have long histories of doing similar things for the same reasons for the same goals.
Those of you whom are lashing out at the normal right-wing people over this should also be lashing out at your left-wing radicals as well - otherwise hypocricy rules.
06/02/09 @ 12:01
Comment from: Roulette [Member]
tell you what. Next time Greenpeace murders someone as a method of advancing an agenda, I'll be sure to let loose with both barrels. I'll do it gladly. The weather underground hasn't been active since I was a toddler, so you'll just have to forgive me for not jumping on them sooner.
Doesn't change my basic premise. Anyone in the pro-choice movement that doesn't vehemently denounce murder as a valid method of pursuing their position... well... they're no different than any other group that supports murder. KKK, al'qaeda, neo-nazis, whatever. All the same cloth.
Doesn't change my basic premise. Anyone in the pro-choice movement that doesn't vehemently denounce murder as a valid method of pursuing their position... well... they're no different than any other group that supports murder. KKK, al'qaeda, neo-nazis, whatever. All the same cloth.
06/02/09 @ 18:17
Comment from: bman [Member]
The National Right to Life org came out the same day and denounced the killing of Tiller by Mr. Roeder. What else do you want them to do? Take blame for HIS nutjob actions?
Here's some eco terrorists who've not directly killed someone as did Mr. Roeder, but have several incidental deaths blamed upon them by burning down houses, businesses, logging operations, etc etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
In other news a US military recruiter was killed by a muslim extremist yesterday here in the USA. I guess I should blame NBC news and Obama for this since they both claim the US is the problem over in the Middle East.
Here's some eco terrorists who've not directly killed someone as did Mr. Roeder, but have several incidental deaths blamed upon them by burning down houses, businesses, logging operations, etc etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
In other news a US military recruiter was killed by a muslim extremist yesterday here in the USA. I guess I should blame NBC news and Obama for this since they both claim the US is the problem over in the Middle East.
06/03/09 @ 14:55
Comment from: Roulette [Member]
Them? Nothing. The dozens of other groups that gave tepid expressions of sorrow immediately followed by expressions of contempt for Tiller and attacks on the left for any potential attempt to capitalize on it politically? I expect a lot more. Until then, they're murderous bastards.
Come to think of it... you went straight into attack mode, without any comment on Tiller's death. Interesting.
Of course, you're still focused on u235's response. I never said shit about the media's culpability in the murder. But feel free to keep banging that drum if it makes you feel better.
Come to think of it... you went straight into attack mode, without any comment on Tiller's death. Interesting.
Of course, you're still focused on u235's response. I never said shit about the media's culpability in the murder. But feel free to keep banging that drum if it makes you feel better.
06/03/09 @ 19:19
Comment from: odessa [Member]
When I initially heard about Tiller's late term abortions, I was a bit appalled - not murderous - appalled. Then when I heard more, I was less appalled. Women with late term pregnancies who need to decide between the unborn and themselves need some place to turn. Women who are faced with giving birth to children with severe defects need some place to turn. Thanks to Mr. Roeder, those women now have one less place to which to turn. Fanatics of every ideology need to be reined in - they need to learn that murder is unacceptable.
Some may say that most pro-life activists do not support this man's actions; however, I have seen the vitriol coming from people protesting clinics that happen to perform abortions. It is just that attitude that fosters the mentality of those like Mr.Roeder.
Some may say that most pro-life activists do not support this man's actions; however, I have seen the vitriol coming from people protesting clinics that happen to perform abortions. It is just that attitude that fosters the mentality of those like Mr.Roeder.
06/04/09 @ 18:43
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